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Well, George Washington already tied a school record and Casey Lauter got a 10 on beam. So it’s been a slow morning.
Meanwhile, it’s Elizabeth Price Senior Day Day, where we all attempt to consider what Stanford is even going to be next year. Also a meet against UCLA or something.
Kentucky went 196.800, which wasn’t quite enough to catch Washington, so we will have a flip-flop in that department, though Cal can still catch both with a big result today.
For Cal, you’re looking for a 196.625 to move ahead of Washington, but Cal will also be after a 196.800, which would clinch the evening session at Pac-12s regardless of what OSU or ASU do next weekend when Cal is on a rest week.
Obviously, we’re starting the broadcast with a tribute to Ebee.
“GymBruins” doesn’t really flow. We need to work on the name.
Let’s all speculate about whether Val is going to the bathroom or not.
ROTATION 1
Cole – VT – OK full, good direction, hop back, some pike throughout – normal-to-good. 9.750.
Dennis – UB – Shap, some leg break, didn’t connect – had to recast and hops off the bars. GREAT START. Oops. Restarts – Shap to bail, better this time, in that it was hit – DLO, stuck. Weird.
Navarro – VT – her best of the season, near stick, small slide back – also pike throughout. 9.825.
Ohashi – UB – toe on to bail, solid – tkatchev hit – mostly good casts, I saw one short – DLO, hop forward. Overall cleaner and more composed than some of her early attempts. 9.875
Flam – VT – Omelianchik – large lunge forward and a little off to the side this time, but still usable –
Honest – UB – hits tkatchev, knees – 1/2 turn to straddle back, good vertical – shortish final cast – FTDT with bounce back – pretty much her usual. 9.850. Scores a touch high on these early hits.
Bryant – VT – hugely high full and nearly sticks it, step back to salute – better layout position –
A Glenn – UB – 1/2 turn to jaeger, solid – close on pak and has to pause on low – knew she couldn’t fall so muscles up a cast – but major deductions there – giant full to double tuck. 9.525.
Price – VT – DTY – stuck. Awesome. Nailed. You can maybe take for off to the side, but I wouldn’t be surprised by 10.
9.975. Yes, you can find the deduction, but how many meets would that have been a 10 you guys…
Peng – UB – Ray – Bhardwaj, strong – toe on to toe Shap 1/2 – hitting hs – pulls down on her DLO to get the stick this time and does. That should make up for some of the 9.525ishness.
Fitzgerald with the last vault for Stanford, short on a full with a lunge, so they’ll drop it.
OH SHADE. They didn’t give Price the 10 and then they gave it to Peng.
Oh.
OK.
Ross – UB – perfect first hs – Shap to bail, a little arch but holds it well – holds the stick on DLO. A second very good one there.
Also 10. OK. Very clean but not her best. She got set up for it by the Peng 10, I think mostly because Peng’s routine is so difficult that they give her some forgiveness for that DLO shape in giving her the 10, but when Kyla’s DLO is then cleaner and better and also stuck, they feel penned in to give her a 10 too.
Back to back 10s for Peng and Ross. I wouldn’t have been 10 for either…? Dear dear.
Sort of dying that UCLA basically almost counted a fall there and got 49.250 on bars.
After 1: UCLA 49.250, Stanford 49.150
ROTATION 2
Dennis – VT – gigantic full, almost holds the stick long enough but kind fo steps back in her salute – great height, chest down on landing. 9.900. K.
Lawson – UB – Shap to Pak, small legs on both – crazy legs on her giant full as usual but sticks the double tuck, which is new and should help her score a little. 9.800. Important score for her.
A Glenn – VT – much better full from her – good stick and form – no distance, which is the major deduction there, a little forward, but will be a strong score. 9.850.
Navarro – UB – tkatchev, flat but hit – some very short vasts – leg break on Pak but hit – 1/2 turn on low not bad – short final cast as well but not too bad – FTDT with step back. A little improvement for her as well. 9.800.
Tratz – VT – better distance on her full, a little short with step forward. No Jim, she has literally never done the AA.
Flam – UB – short first hs – 1/2 turn, late to jaeger, kicks something on catch, unsure if it was the bar or Chris or just society as a concept – major deduction – OK bail – DLO 1/1, good with small hop but the jaeger will be a major deduction. So she hits the bar with her foot on the jaeger and then almost slashes Chris with her foot. 9.250 and will have to count. Yikers.
Ross – VT – well, they brought the vaults today. Sticks her full and it’s gorgeous. Not the biggest with that little pike in the hips, but not much to take. We’ll see what happens if that goes 9.950. It goes 9.900. Fair.
Bryant – UB – small arch in first hs – hits tkatchev, good rhythm – movely Pak – rishing a little too much on that low bar hs – DLO, loses her leg form a little with a hop forward. 9.875 is kind of a we-feel-bad-about-that-Flam-routine-having-to-count score.
Hano – VT – 1.5 with a hop forward but a bit smaller than her usual hop, should be solid score, a little bit of knees. 9.875.
Price – UB – Toe shap to clear hip – perfection – Ray to bail to shoot – strong – DLO, stuck. That was the most 10 bars routine I’ve seen so far today, so…
Hall – VT – 1.5 – hop forward on 1.5, usual knees, not as far as Hano’s.
9.950 for Price. Oh. OK. Mmmhmm. I mean, like on vault, you can find the deduction if you want to, like bent elbows, but if you JUST gave Ross a 10 for her routine. There were little things to take in both Peng’s and Ross’s routines too, but didn’t decide to see them then.
After 2: UCLA 98.625, Stanford 97.825
I mean, the issue for Stanford on bars was only having five people and having to count a miss, but the only thing we’ll be talking about is the inconsistent evaluation of bars.
ROTATION 3
Cole – BB – clean loso series – switch to double stag, pretty tentative going into that switch but secure landings – aerial, small hesitation – 2/1, stuck. Worked through well. 9.875.
Kocian – FX – front 2/1, solid – back 1.5 to layout, good height – switch side to popa, no trouble – rudi to double stag, very good. Strong control on landings, a little bit of loose knees here and there in her twisting passes but will be a good score. 9.925. Casual leadoff 9.925.
Tai – BB – Bhs loso bhs and falls – off line trying to save her bhs on line – another fall on aerial, very tentative – finishes 1.5 with step back.
Ross – FX – whip to double tuck, good chest up on landing, still a little sluggish in getting that double tuck around, but the landing position is much improved – switch ring to Ferrari, solid, even the Ferrari was not that horrifying – 1.5 to layout – double pike, deep with a hop forward. Still solid. Slowly getting there. 9.900.
Flam – BB – bhs to lay-pike, knees in the bhs and some feet but only a small correction on landing – front tuck, small lean correction – switch side, swim to save – front full dismount with small slide back. 9.875
Dennis – FX – pike full in – short with a lunge forward this time – front full to layout is securely landed – good 180s on leaps, just a touch of bounce on landing – double tuck, solid. Not her best because of the mount. 9.900. OH LOL.
Price – BB – aerial, good – bhs to layout, 2 feet, wobble – it would be HILARIOUS if the judges were just like “we’re giving a 10 for this one now” after that wobble – switch to split, solid – double pike, step back. Good. 9.900.
Tratz – FX – full in – takes it right to the end but stays in, small hop forward – 1.5 to front full, loses her knees at the end but controls the step – switch ring to split leap 1/1 – double tuck, a little forward. 9.925. EVERYONE IS PERFECT.
Navarro – BB – bhs loso, small correction, good toes – full turn – aerial, same, small arm wave to avoid a check – switch to split, once she becomes more comfortable in future years, this will be the event for her – double tuck, hop forward. 9.825
Hano – FX – DLO with a stumble bounce, should be a fairly large deduction (so like .05 AH HA HA HA) solid second pass – split leap 1/1 to wolf 1/1, like that she rises into that second dance element in the combination instead of flopping it up there – double pike, a little slide. 9.875.
Bryant – BB – good height and security on bhs loso series – in love with the switch split jump, strong again – front tuck, smallest lean – beam cap popped off – GIVE HER A REDO AHAHAHAH – double tuck, lunge back, they got through it. 9.900.
Ohashi – FX – DLO, strong, chest up, a little bounce – travels back quite a bit on her middle pass straddle jump but pulls it out – switch ring to switch 1/2, nice – front 1/1 to 1/2 to sit split. Good enough, not her most controlled. Still 9.950.
After 3: UCLA 148.225, Stanford 147.200
Of course Stanford goes to beam and it’s the least dramatic rotation of the day so far because whatever. Stanford really should get a 196 out of this meet, which is a major victory –
Casual 49.600 for UCLA on floor even though Kocian was really the only one who hit at her top level.
ROTATION 4
G Glenn – BB – bhs loso, solid and pretty – aerial with a small lean to split jump – switch to switch, that combination is back, good, because she’s the one who can do it – full turn – gainer full, basically stuck with a slide of heels together. Good one. 9.925.
Cole – FX – 2.5 to the sideways China punch front she always does, but secure as usual – that signature straddle – rudi with a stumble on landing – switch ring to switch 1/2 to little nothing hop out of leap combo, which is becoming a trend – front full to front tuck, really struggled to pull that front tuck around – 9.650.
Kocian – BB – switch to sheep, good – aerial to bhs, a little pause in between but no one will care – overturns her full turn a hair – side aerial, hit – 2/1 with bounce back. 9.825.
The thing about Kocian is that she’s so slight that sometimes it looks like she’s shivering as she lands her elements on beam, but it could just be the air conditioning.
Navarro – FX – double pike, solid – back 1.5 to layout, a touch ragged in that layout but secure – double tuck, chest well forward but she had good control in those landings
Nguyen – BB – aerial to loso, good control this time but there is that little pause in between skills – switch to split, solid – split jump 1/2 from side position, a little cheated but not much – front lay 1/1, stuck with a little bend. 9.850.
Flam – FX – music problems – step off – great double arabian this week, good control and now cowboy, very good – front full to front pike, nice – nice hops on her leaps – double pike, looks like she just stayed in on her step back, still a bounce that will be taken though. Overall still probably her best one. 9.850.
Ohashi – BB – aerial to bhs loso – strong throughout – switch ring to beat jump – bhs loso layout full, stuck. Fab routine. Very little to take. 9.975.
Lawson – FX – switch to split 1.5, not quite there – 1.5 through to double tuck, lands short with a shuffle forward and some chest – strong double pike. Stanford is definitely improving into the postseason as we expect because STANFORD, the question is whether they have the bars for it to matter, which we haven’t see yet. 9.875.
Ross – BB – bhs loso, good clench to avoid a check – switch ring to beat jump – full turn – aerial with a large check, bend at the hips – side aerial to stuck full. That happens sometimes with Ross. Too often. 9.825.
Bryant – FX – also overdid her DLO, steps back but keeps it in, chest definitely up on that one – front tuck through to double pike, another significant bounce back – switch side to popa, good height, maybe a little crooked – open double tuck, very good control on step back there. Strong finish but not enough control on the first two. 9.900. OK. Sure. These floor scores are going to be an under-reported story.
Peng – BB – three flares – bhs to lay-pike, very secure – double turn to split jump, does well to hold the connection – side aerial to a stuck full. Let’s see. Another good one.
10.000. So a perfect 20 for Peng.
Price – FX – DLO, fab, good controlled step back – front tuck through to double pike, nice – switch side to popa – double pike, I’d call that controlled as well. Great set. I’m assuming 10 here, but I assumed it on bars too.
Well, she got the 10 on floor. Because otherwise a riot and whatnot.
39.825 in the AA for Price. Could have been three 10s and I don’t think many would have argued with it.
Over at Cal and Davis, Robinson sticks her fhs handspring pike vault. Good one.
Strong scores for Cal through the first two rotations, but no Toni-Ann? She was also pulled from beam in the last rotation on Friday.
FINAL: UCLA 197.800, Stanford 196.650
Big scores for both. Very important total for Stanford. UCLA will come close to LSU but not pass, though UCLA competes again on Tuesday.
After 2: Cal 98.525, Davis 97.375
Hit beam from Yektaparast to start for Davis.
So Seilnacht – FX – front lay to rudi, clean, controlled step back, good twisting form – illusion – split leap 1.5, mostly got around, enough, a little ragged at the end – 1.5 to 1/2 to straddle to front tuck, a little deep in landing that front tuck with an adjustment – front full to front pike, clean. 9.750.
Ito – BB – bhs bhs loso series, fall – pretty form, nice toe point on it, was close but couldn’t save – switch to straddle 1/4, short on straddle 1/4 – gainer pike, step back
Shu – FX – double tuck, lunge back – double pike, nailed, good pass – switch to split leap (full or 1.5? In between) – 1.5 to front pike to stag, strong. 9.775.
Kessler – BB – hs to bhs loso series, fun – only a small check – very short on switch 1/2 – beat to split 3/4, also some back leg there – 1.5, holds stick. 9.750.
Gallarzo – FX – double pike, step back, a little chest forward there – double tuck with a bounce back – 1.5 to layout with another little bounce out – not the same control on that one and the others have been 9.7s, so we’ll see… 9.800. Nothing matters. Don’t worry.
Suzuki – BB – bhs loso, small lift of front foot but small – cat leap to side aerial, hit – switch to straddle 1/4, straddle was good, nice extension – stuck gainer full. 9.750.
George – FX – front 2/1, a little bit of a dance out but small – switch ring to split leap full, better dance combo – front tuck through to rudi, quite ragged and a short landing, didn’t have much in the rudi – double tuck, deep landing with lunge back. Struggled on her last two passes. 9.750.
Hebert – BB – bhs bhs loso, very solid – full turn – switch side, almost there – 1.5 with step back
Robinson – FX – double arabian, sits it down. Cal was on track for a “get to 8th in the country” score after the first two, but now there will be major pressure on beam – 1.5 to front pike, a slide – bouncy in that split 1.5 – double pike, deep with a bounce to the side.
Brown – BB – actually solid switch to switch series but off on her loso series so they’re counting a beam fall now. Stuck 1.5.
Sy Seilnacht – FX – If ever there was a time you needed Toni’s floor score – double tuck, fine – double pike, chest down but fairly secure – switch ring to switch 1/2, a little tight – back 1.5 to front 1/2, solid, that will help the total.
After 3: Cal 147.425, Davis 145.625
Schank is doing exhibition for Cal on floor, and it would have been one of the higher scores in the lineup. Good shape on double pike and rudi.
ROTATION 4
Shu – BB – aerial through to bhs, solid, kept going – hitch kick to switch 1/2, short of 180 – full turn – side aerial to full, lands a little forward with step forward. 9.850.
Presswood – FX – double tuck, pretty good chest up, a little bit of a lunge out – switch ring to switch 1/2, will get a little on switch 1/2 – front lay to front 1/1 – solid double pike, good start
George – BB – wolf double – aerial wayyyyy short and falls. Well that’s not ideal – switch to split jump, off line and leaning – another fall on aerial, never got back on track after the original fall. Rushing and rattled. Does hit double tuck.
Jones – FX – double pike, a little forward with step – front full to front lay, arches around to get it but probably didn’t need to arch that much with a lunge forward – rudi, solid
Keelen – BB – bhs loso, secure, nice extension – switch to split to beat, good – aerial, large break at the hips but stays on – 1.5 hop back, well, she stayed on. They can kind of use that. Oooof. Never mind. 9.525.
Kessler – FX – Ugh, they make them stand up for all the Davis floor routines? Pass. Double pike with lunge back, just stays in – nice height on popa in combo – double tuck, forward with a step – front lay to front full.
Gallarzo – BB – aerial through to bhs loso, good – switch to split, strong – 1.5, stuck. Very good routine coming after those two misses. 9.900. They needed that.
Yektaparast – FX – front 2/1, pretty good, crossover step – front lay to 1/2 to loso, really pikes that 1/2 but good loso – shourt double tuck with lunge forward
So Seilnacht – BB – full turn – bhs loso series, clean and secure – switch to double stag, also solid – side aerial to full, stuck. A second very strong routine in a row. 9.875.
Hebert – FX – front tuck through to double pike, stuck, very good – 1.5 to layout, small hop but clean – a little ragged in the leap combo legs – double tuck, also stuck. Good set. 9.950? Because home and why not and Davis?
Syl Seilnacht – BB – bhs to lay-pike, right on this time, connected to beat jumpo – large break on full turn because of course, bend at hips – switch to split – gainer full, stuck.
Brown – FX – double pike, small slide back – double tuck, very strong landing – switch side and popa, short of positions – 1.5 to layout, a little arch around on layout.
Cal finishes 196.375 to Davis 194.925
An OK score for Cal but not what they wanted. They can still replace it at Pac-12s, but it won’t be enough to pass Washington or Kentucky this week and will leave them vulnerable to being passed by Oregon State in the race for the evening session at Pac-12s. (Oregon State would need 196.925 next weekend, while Cal doesn’t compete, to move back ahead of Cal.)
Is there a place to see live RQS updates/figure out what Cal needs to move up today? The RQS updates are awesome as always but hard to follow with 2 meet weekends!
Thank you! Toni Ann had an ice pack on her knee at Sac State and didn’t go on beam, so will be interesting to see if she goes today
Scores for the Ohio State / NC State / Central Mich meet. Terrible format, but what can ya do?
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/livestats/w-gym/20180311.htm
Literally the worst. I just want to see what CMU scored, but I’m too lazy to go through that mess to pick out and add up the scores.
I have CMU at 195.175, based on OSU twitter saying they were at 146.025 after 3 and my calculation of 4915 on bars from the stats sheet (Plaksa & Kaplan tied for 1st on UB at 9.9). Overall, it was the lowest scoring event for everyone but CMU, so at least they finished strong.
I was following NCSU & OSU on twitter & have NCSU at 196.8, OSU 196.55. Looks like some senior day scoring going on, perhaps especially for the home team (OSU), but they weren’t able to take full advantage, with a counting fall on bars (48.4) and 48.975 on VT (NCSU had 49.325 on vault, so the judges were prepared to go high even there if you gave them a chance). Didn’t check CMU as they were well back early.
Are you watching the meet or just assuming high scores based on the scores?
To anon: based on the scores. All but one OSU gymnast got a 9.9 from at least one judge on floor, for example, and both teams reported a number of career high scores. Seemed like more 9.9s than I would have expected going in.
OSU floor 49.4, BB 49.35 would have had them on pace for 197.5. Two 9.9s on bars, too, as well as the two botched routines (and a 9.8 & 9.825), but it was only when they got to BB & FX that my suspicions went up.
I’m wondering if UCLA will put up Meraz rather than Glenn on bars considering Glenn fell on her bars routine last weekend at Nebraska.
Meraz will probably do the AA on Tuesday – Senior Day at UCLA I believe.
Yeah, I figured that as well. I was just wondering if they’d put in Meraz instead of Glenn because Meraz rarely falls on her bars and has a lot of experience competing it whereas Glenn hasn’t competed her bars in NCAA much and has struggled a bit.
Ugh—Anna Glenn is so gorgeous to watch butaybe they should have gone w Meraz!
I think the decision was ok considering Glenn had hit her bar routines before today, and the fact that they finished two tenths shy of 198 even with that score is slightly encouraging. The scoring was favorable toward UCLA, but still a solid score considering those bar mistakes. Apparently Kocian might be doing Bars at Pac-12, which will boost their scores if Kocian is at least where was last season, will definitely replace at least one 9.8 with a 9.9. The ideal post season Bars lineup for them is Dennis, Glenn, Ohashi, Kocian, Lee and Ross. These six can all go 9.9+ if they go clean, but we’ll probably see Honest in Glenn’s spot and if Kocian isn’t ready then they might put Meraz in that spot.
If Ebee doesn’t get a 10.0 today, I’m gonna be pissed. I don’t even care if it’s a “senior day” 10.0. She has been so underscored her whole career.
Not really underscored, just not on the receiving end of “free 10s.” I mean how many 9.95s and 9.975s has she had? Getting a 10 every week is not the norm. Florida, UCLA, and OU are overscored — the other teams are not necessarily underscored.
Ok, so whether or not you look at the other schools as being “over-scored” and her scores as being normal, her scores are still lesser than if she would have been at many other schools (and the list has much longer than just FL, UCLA, OU). Therefore, she is still underscored in comparison because those scores still count as scores.
Nah the list is not much longer. The schools are consistently overscored.
Who else would you add to the list? Outside of those three, the only other programs who have received higher overall scoring when compared to Stanford would be LSU and Utah. Ten years ago I would say Alabama and Georgia, but you can’t really make that argument any more. Georgia has had three tens in the last eight years (maybe). I know Snead and Rogers had 10s and then Kat Ding during Jay Clark’s years. Bama hasn’t had crazy high scoring this year and I don’t think Ebee would have any more 10s than she does now at Stanford. Michigan and Nebraska have had some cracky meets, but not necessarily in terms of 10s being handed out.
Ok, so I’m literally not arguing that Ebee should have been given a 10 every week and I don’t see where I said she should have been? I said I wanted her to receive a 10 tonight on senior night. She does receive 9.95s and 9.975s but she also doesn’t. I just said I think she is underscored in comparison to the schools we consider overscored. Which is true. I think this year the score inflation has worse at more schools across the board (see Arkansas), but that’s not really the point I was here to make. I just want Ebee to get a “senior night” 10. That’s all.
Well they already missed one very appropriate opportunity!
Yes, I wrote this after her vault 9.975. Already annoyed.
yea that is some bs for ucla on bars for those “10”s.
I don’t like UCLA at all, but Peng’s 10 was deserved. Ross should have gone 9.9 or 9.95.
And I would have given Ebee a 9.95 because the vault was off-line. Another reason why NCAA needs vault lines.
Responding to th Anon who added Utah to th overscored list. They are occasionally overscored but absolutely nothing to the egregious UCLA fiction. They had a ver off meet yesterday but compared to Michigan they were underscored. Review Lewis and Reinstadtler scores compared to brown and Paige. Yes it does happen but UCLA receives more gifts than any other team. Even with obvious steps out of landings they score 9.0 and 9.95s like they are entitlements
Florida, LSU and UCLA are by far the most over scored teams. Alex McMurtrys very distinct hop back on landing to score a 10 is the prime example of the season. It’s so much harder for Utah and Stanford to get them it’s ridiculous. I don’t think Pengs 10 was deserved, a little close on the Ray and her feet weren’t perfectly together on the van leeuwen. Very minor deductions in NCAA, but enough to get just below a 10. I would’ve gone 9.95-9.975. I would’ve given Ross a 10 had she not had the slight back arch on the bail, 9.95 would’ve been accurate. I would’ve flip flopped Price’s vault and bars score, although if Peng and Ross had gotten 10s on Bars, Prices should’ve been undeniable. Her vault was too far off line to deserve a 10, even though she would’ve gotten it anywhere else (especially if she was at Florida, LSU or UCLA)
Lee and Ross both had leg sep and Lee caught her Bhardwaj close! If you’re going to overlook that stuff, then you should also GIVE EBEE A TEN.
Ebee better get a 10 on bars! (assuming she does her usual routine)
Catherine Rogers is not dressed for bars. 5 up for Stanford again?
Shoutout to Lindenwood getting a record score!
The crazy Ebee fans on this forum… lol
I know it sounds like the Elizabeth Price and fan club but she has been underscored for years. It was her night and she should have been scored equally with Ross and Peng. I assume there will be a closed door caucus to allow the score of 11 for the UCLA senior night. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit
Ebee was very clearly not square on her block, so I personally was fine with that not getting the 10. The camera angle sucked for Peng’s DLO, so I can’t speak to that, but Ross’s routine definitely had a multiple imprecisions that should have kept that down from a 10.
Now, I will say Ebee’s bars should absolutely go 10!
I was side-eyeing the commentator when he said “Ross is ranked just 28th in the country on bars, but she’s better than that.” Ross has a very nice, clean full, but there are many gymnasts with very nice vaults that start from 10.0.
Agreed. He also said UCLA had several routines the last few weeks that should have gone 10, but didn’t. Like c’mon, dude.
Best thing to do is ignore Jim Watson whenever he speaks. Lol.
Crap. I just realized I said bars. I meant vault…
yep I have given up on judges.
The scores in NCAA are so ridiculous, it’s almost not worth watching! Seriously, why don’t they do something about it?!
Judges need to be held accountable in NCAA. There needs to be a review process and sanctions/consequences for bad scoring. Every other NCAA sport will suspend or pull judges/refs/umps from games because of unacceptable performance. The Big Ten pulled a ref before a high profile basketball this year because of questionable calls he made early in the season. Same thing should happen in gymnastics.
Agreed. The average fan can look at the scores and the routines and see that not all scores are equal, why certified judges aren’t makes me question the accountability. This season it’s seemed that the scoring isn’t just cooked at home, which suggests a judging bias for certain teams and gymnasts. These top teams don’t need the scoring boost, they have the talent, coaching, and drive to earn the scores.
Why do the judges hate Price? She’s at home on Senior Day and has done two completely 10-able routines! But they give the tens to Lee and Ross instead..
I normally don’t comment but come on vault and bar judges!! Ebee’s bars and vault rocked the house!! She was robbed🙁
Inconsistent scoring. If you are going to overlook Ross’s errors and Peng’s double layout form, fine… but then overlook whatever they saw on Ebee’s too. Tired of UCLA getting the benefit of the doubt too often.
The top teams will always get the benefit of the doubt as long as they keep on recruiting the crap out of Olympians and world championship members.
#justiceforebee
Sometimes I wonder if Price would still get so much love from hypocrite gym fans if she were on a higher ranked team… Most likely not…
She would get respect, but not much love — prob along the lines of McMurtry.
It could be that fact that Stanford doesn’t have the supporting cast for Ebee that other schools have for their elite stars, which I hope is the case… But, and I hate to say it, there could also be the Big R issue at play.
I don’t think race is the reason she doesn’t have a ton of 10s. The chronically overscored schools have athletes of a variety of races that get gifts on a regular basis. I think the issue is being at a school that doesn’t have other high-profile gymnasts. I really do believe that Ebee (exactly as she is, race and all) would have had more 10s if she were on one of the top 5 teams. That being said, the most important thing is that she is happy where she is and thinks her education and gymnastics experiences were good and worthwhile. That seems to be the case, so I’m very happy for her.
Don’t even go there. Gymnastics has evolved into a diverse sport and that comment was unworthy. Toni Ann. Nia Dennis. Kennedy Edney. Really. They are amazing and they receive high scores. Keep it on point
Definitely. She is a class act. Great gymnast. Well rounded and with the intellect to be accepted at Stanford. Yup she get the love unconditionally.
How much of the scoring is team-based? Ebee hasn’t had the benefit of anchoring line ups that has scores and big names building before her. I wonder how much that hurts her scores. If she was following a 9.95, she’d probably get a 10. It’s not right, but NCAA seems built on score building in line ups.
This site alone often points out leadoff routines that go 9.9 with a comment about now where do judges go. The truth is, it shouldn’t matter. A 9.9 routine should be given a 9.9 whether first up or last up. I just don’t think judges (and gym fans) always see it that way.
Is there an NCAA cap on team size? UCLA’s team being double the size of so many other teams seems like a competitive advantage.
Only rules regarding team size is that you get 12 scholarships and I think there’s a limit for how many athletes you can have on the floor during postseason meets like nationals (though I don’t know offhand what that number is). I’m not sure how it’s a competitive advantage when some schools, like UCLA, have a ton of walk-ons and others don’t.
It’s an advantage because they’ll never have to worry about only putting up 5 athletes on an event or pull an Arizona and literally have only 4 on an event for a meet. The depth helps.
And it’s not just athletes, the UCLA staff at meets looks crazy large. They have several student assistants and what appears to be several trainers. Plus, three assistant coaches when most schools only have two.
I think it’s generally an advantage, since big teams have tons of depth, but having *too* big a team can be a disadvantage in terms of practice times being spread too thin. In particular, gymnasts who are used to an elite training schedule really have to adjust to the dramatically pared-down hours of NCAA, and sharing those hours with 20 people instead of 12 really makes a difference. (I also know that at UCLA, for example, the practice gym is pretty small. Don’t know how they all fit those routines in!)
Okay, so now that Nia’s had problems with the full-in too, can we get Kramer back in the lineup? By far my favorite Bruin floor this season.
Yeah, I liked Kramer in the leadoff spot.
Of course, now that the judges went “Deducting for a short landing? LOL!” and gave her the 9.9 anyway, why take her out?
Like how did she get a 9.9 with that full in she did? That’s the kind of stuff we’re talking about. The judges aren’t taking the deductions that should be taken. It’s a deduction for taking the step forward. It’s another deduction because she was short and that’s why she had to step forward.
Kyla Bryant’s switch split jump. Obsessed. It’s so beautiful.
Beam cap off again during all of UCLA’s warmups. Redo for everyone!
I have a lot of respect for Stanford’s difficulty. They could downgrade their routines just to bump up RQS. I really like when NCAA athletes keep up their difficulty and don’t take the easy way to a 10.
Should Senior Day scores be exempt from counting in the RQS (for the home team) since they tend to be so crazy?
If a team is counting on their home Senior Day meet to up their RQS they probably don’t deserve the boost – even teams that build to better scores like Alabama and Stanford should be able to get enough good scores before the Senior Day meet.
Well, but since the highest score is dropped, if it is their highest score, then the way it helps is that they get to count the next-highest. So not really a direct issues.
Senior day scoring is the same everywhere, so it balances out. Cutting those scores would basically result in dropping the last two weeks of the season (one home and one away which is likely the other teams senior night).
Toni was pulled from beam at Sac State and did awards there with an ice pack on her knee. Hopefully just something minor
I think that is Robinson’s first EVER competition miss for Cal?
I live for your RQS updates, Spencer! Can’t wait to see the new list!
I love them, too! You can get interim updates at roadtonationals if you choose “daily results” rather than the default (currently week 9), but they don’t have today’s results in yet, at least not for Cal (now 10th) or GW (now 18th, I think, although I didn’t calculate all the c. 25th ranked teams that competed today – but they are ahead of BYU & Georgia, at least. Illinois will not have improved, but NCSU & Ohio St probably have). 8-9-10 is UW, UK, Cal.
NCSU to 196.155, 23d, OSU to 196.085, 24th, tucked between Minnesota at #22 and PSU at #25. Season high by .225 for NCSU, and would have been for OSU without the counted fall on bars (still only .25 off the season high).
Ahh thanks for this info!
The UGA website has a video up with interviews with its six seniors and based on what Gigi Marino says it doesn’t sound like she’l planning on returning for a red-shirt fifth season – though UGA would have an open scholarship I believe due to Grace Cherry’s medical retirement.