Sunday Live Blog – March 10, 2019

Sunday, March 10 Scores Stream
12:00 ET/9:00 PT – Brown, Penn, So Connecticut @ Maryland LINK BTN+
1:00 ET/10:00 PT – North Carolina, Ball State, Rutgers @ Kent State LINK FREE
1:00 ET/10:00 PT – Eastern Michigan @ Western Michigan LINK
1:00 ET/10:00 PT – William & Mary, Centenary @ Temple LINK FREE
2:00 ET/11:00 PT – [17] Missouri, Lindenwood @ SEMO LINK
4:00 ET/1:00 PT – [24] Stanford @ [2] UCLA LINK P12N
4:00 ET/1:00 PT – [18] Nebraska, [21] Arizona State, Pittsburgh @ [6] Denver LINK DU($)
5:00 ET/2:00 PT – Southern Utah @ [19] Washington LINK FREE

After the weekend we’ve seen, I can only imagine…

UCLA has Dennis leading off vault and Kramer in the anchor position, Hano and G Glenn on bars, and no Kyla on floor. Presumably saving 40WATCH for next week during VAL!: A Celebration of Val.

Update: Kyla good at nastix. Will keep posted with latest developments.

PS Lindenwood just beat Missouri

Rotation 1

Dennis – VT – UCLA – full – gigantic full and stuck. Excellent. Her good one. So much height. 9.900

Lawson – UB – Stanford – toe shap to bail, little leg breaks in both – shoot to high is good – giant full kind of late into double tuck, hop. 9.775

Hano – VT – UCLA – 1.5 – pace forward on her landing, medium sized lunge and then an extra slide, good direction and height – only the slightest bit of soft knees but solid form overall. 9.850

Waguespack – UB – Stanford – toe on to toe shap, crazy legs to pak, leg separations on both – shortish on final cast hs – DLO, comes up short with a large lunge forward. A rougher one but a hit. 9.725 pretty charitable.

Wright – VT – UCLA – Y1..5 – a bigger bound forward than Hano had, the lunge/bounce dragged up the back foot on this one, otherwise pretty similar to Hano’s. Also very high. 9.850. What is this? Less landing control than Hano.

Yu – UB – Stanford – shap to bail, much better legs in her combination, just a touch of toes on the bail – shortish cast hs on high – giant full to double tuck, small hop, better. 9.875

Tratz – VT – UCLA – small hop back on her full, great power and distance, legs together, won’t get too much taken aside from the slide back but shouldn’t really go 9.9. Should be 9.8s. But it was 9.900 because duh of course it was.

Brunette – UB – Stanford – 1/2 turn, hits her deltchev into overshoot, also has some crazy legs – short hs on high bar – DLO, a bounce back. OK. 9.800

Ross – VT – UCLA – hops forward on the 1.5 this week – great in the air as it is – very clean, great distance, minor hop to the side. 9.950. Eyes emoji.

Bryant – UB – Stanford – great first hs – toe on to tkatchev, a bit flat, hit well – pak, gorgeous, legs together – 1/2 turn on low pretty solid vertical position – borderline final cast hs – DLO, hop back. Best of the rotation. 9.850. A fair score, but it was a stronger routine than Yu’s 9.875.

Kramer – VT – UCLA – Y1.5 – was still twisting into the ground a little, almost got it all the way around, but very nearly an ouchie – lunge to the side and knees in the air. Will be the drop score. 9.750

Rogers – UB – Stanford – toe on with elbows – hit tkatchev – short cast hs on high – full straddle on her pak – giant full with some legs – double tuck, lunge back. 9.725

After 1: UCLA 49.450, Stanford 49.025

Stanford went over 49 on bars! Both teams will be pleased with those scores because evaluation has been quite loose so far, as you would expect. UCLA was very strong in the fulls from Dennis and Tratz and the 1.5 from Ross. Needs the landings from Hano and Wright to get this kind of score normally, and needs to resolve what this 6th vault is going to be.

Denver went 49.275 on vault to start its meet, Nebraska 48.825 on bars after counting a 9.575. Not the start they wanted in the race to get up into the 16. Maddie Karr 9.975 on her Y1.5.

Rotation 2

Cole – VT – Stanford – more piking on her full than those we saw from UCLA, bounce back, not the most distance

Frazier – UB – UCLA – good first hs  toe shap to pak, fab legs on the pak – good hs on low – toe shap 1/2, strong – borderline final cast hs – DLO, nearllly stuck, smallest little foot adjustment. 9.875

Amanda has been making a point of letting us know a little more about the deductions she’s seeing and I appreciate it.

Fitzgerald – VT – Stanford – large bounce back on her full, some more power than Cole and not much piking, starts to open a little. 9.800

Hano – UB – UCLA – rushed first hs – hits high Ray to overshoot, a bit of legs – short final cast hs – giant full to double tuck, hop back. Amanda says she hit her feet on the low bar as well.

9.875. So I guess the judges were like me and didn’t notice the hit on low bar on the first look through. Even so that score is wild.

Bryant – VT – Stanford – fantastic height on her full, great chest up, but the bounce back, and it’s a fairly significant bounce. Hopefully she gets the reward for her superior dynamics though. She does, 9.825.

Dennis – UB – UCLA – replaces G Glenn in the lineup – toe shap to bail, good legs together – a little angle catching bail – smooth work – a little short on final cast hs – big DLO, small hop back. 9.925. Oh boy. Here we go.

Flam – VT – Stanford – uncontrolled bound forward on her Omel this time – still love the distance and the maintenance of pikes shape that she shows throughout. 9.750

Flatley – UB – UCLA – short first hs – higgins to jaeger, gorgeous – better second hs – toe on to bail, good legs, perhaps a little short of vert? couldn’t tell – same with final cast – DLO, short landing with a bounce forward. 9.850. Nothing matters, so don’t worry.

Yu – VT – Stanford – excellent position and distance on her full, still kind of a large bounce back, nice arm open and pretty vault. 9.825

Kocian – UB – UCLA – stalder shap to pak, very pretty – 1/2 turn on low was pretty solid in position this time – borderline final cast hs – FTDT, small slide back. Pretty, not quite her best, but the way scores are going, I figure they won’t take anything other than the two obvious .050s. Yep. 9.900.

Brunette – VT – Stanford – hands down on her yfull, didn’t get the height she needed, lots of pike and came in low, fall. So Stanford will be 48.9s on vault.

Ross – UB – UCLA – toe shap to bail to shoot to high – perfect as usual – final cast hs was great – DLO, did hold the stick but with a significant swim, a couple arm waves, that will take away the 10. The first handstand was also maybe a little borderline, but I’d expect 9.950 given what we’ve seen.

YOU GUYS. ONE JUDGE WENT 9.800 AND ONE JUDGE WENT 10. Being sour me, I would have had 9.850, so I’m surprised one just suddenly went 9.800, but also ONE JUDGE WENT 10. WITH THAT DISMOUNT. Fortunately, they sort of got to something reasonable in the end with 9.900.

Two wrongs do, in fact, make a right.

After 2: UCLA 98.925, Stanford 97.950

Stanford didn’t have the big scores on vault, but still keeping relatively on track for a 196, which is what they’re looking for. UCLA has some nice moments in there—Frazier strong, Dennis getting into the lineup as she needs to be, Kocian improving a bit over last week—but also some silly overscores in there for a couple routines.

Also, bars judge #1 is from Minnesota, and bars judge #2 is from Southern California. Now it makes perfect sense.

Val telling us about cracks in the culture. And also about THE GREATEST COMEBACK IN SPORTS HISTORY.

Rotation 3

G Glenn – BB – UCLA – bhs loso series with a check and an arm wave – aerial to split, gorgeous – switch to split, small check in between, I would call it a broken leap connection – bhs gainer full, stuck. Not her strongest, but as long as they give the leaps, it will be solid.

9.900. So I guess they gave the leaps. Why not? I love that that tied her season high with two balance checks.

Cole – FX – Stanford – 2.5 to front tuck, secure landing, some legs and direction – switch ring and switch leap 1/2, both pretty nicely extended – her straddle jump – rudi, controlled step – 9.825

Nguyen – BB – UCLA – switch to split, good positions but a little low to the beam for me – aerial with a check, will have to redo the series – does and does is acceptably – full turn – side jump 1/2, strong – punch front full dismount, stuck. Great second half.

9.900. EVERYTHING IS 9.900.

H Hoffman – FX – Stanford – front tuck through to rudi, super solid and nice leg position throughout, just less amplitude than others will have – split leap full could have been a touch more around – very strong double tuck, chest up and solid – rudi to double stag, a little travel, really secure and solid overall. 9.850

Kocian – BB – UCLA – bhs loso series with two checks, a lean one way and then a lean other – aerial, small hesitation into split jump – air conditioning must be on too high again this week – switch to split, even the smallest hesitation there too – 1.5 with a bound forward. She’s still fighting the stiffness on beam this season. 9.850.

Cool how she would have gone 10.050 without those checks #legend

Flam – FX – Stanford – pretty wonderful double arabian in the air as usual, just that little stutter on landing – front full to front pike, keeps that back foot down well despite sliding a little – double pike, landing snuck up on her a little and she held it very well. 9.900

Flatley – BB – UCLA – aerial to loso series, smooth and pretty fast in combination – side aerial, strong and solid – L turn to split jump to beat jump is literally perfect – punch front full dismount with a huge bounce forward. Was fab until then.

9.925 with a one tenth bound on dismount landing.

Lawson – FX – Stanford – 1.5 through to double tuck, super solid despite coming in a little short, they have the landings down so far today – split leap full to jump 1/1, got kind of low in the jump 1/1 position – double pike, small slide back, another strong one.

Ross – BB – UCLA – bhs loso series, so smooth, well done – aerial to sissone, strong as well – full turn – no checks so far – switch to split, phenomenal – side aerial to full, absorbs the landing. Well, judge who gave Flatley a 9.950 with that dismount, what do you do with this?

10.000. Inevitable. That’s the score that has made the most sense of the 5 in this lineup so far, and if you gave those scores to the others, there was no way you couldn’t give this a 12.950.

Hoang – FX – Stanford – DLO with a bounce back, not too big, and I do appreciate her higher chest position on landing than some of the knee-eating DLOs we see – split leap 1.5, a little ragged but good – front lay to front 1/1, controlled step out – double pike, bounce back and OOB.

Hoang went 9.850. They decided not to take the OOB even though the flag went up and the replay showed she definitely did go OOB. YOU GET SOME TOO STANFORD!

Ohashi – BB – UCLA – aerial to split, excellent – bhs loso, super comfortable for her, and I don’t actually mind getting rid of the two-foot layout because this routine is cleaner – switch to split, strong positions – bhs loso to full, possible small foot movement on landing

9.975. Great but not a stick.

Bryant – FX – Stanford – bigly big huge full-in, a lunge back and OOB. We’ll see if they decide to take it this time or just nah – front tuck through to double pike, a bit short with a lunge forward – switch side and popa – open double tuck was awesome, nailed the final pass

49.700 for UCLA on beam. Um. The last two were great?

After 3: UCLA 148.625, Stanford 147.250

Stanford gets 49.300 on floor for a solid rotation, missed the score from bryant because she had some landing issues, but the solidest rotation of the day for them as it typically is. They’re en route to an excellent total if beam delivers for them. The first few were super solid in the landings, and it helped everyone. And then that cool thing where OOB is a suggestion now.

UCLA goes 49.700 on beam with some absolutely crazy scores for the first four routines that drove up the total. Would be shocked if this isn’t a 198 now after floor.

Denver went 49.475 on bars in the second rotation. Nebraska 49.00 on beam.

Rotation 4

Fitzgerald – BB – Stanford – aerial with a little hesitation into back tuck but they’ll obvious give it today – switch to split, a touch of back leg on split – hitch kick to her two-foot walkover, large break this time with a bend at the hips – 1.5, stuck. 9.725

Frazier – FX – UCLA – full-in, good chest up, slide back on landing – whip through to double tuck, more of those foot adjustments as she landed, it was a bit more controlled last week despite the 9.825 she got – nailed the double pike, excellent – two butterflies entirely for Jess’s benefit. You know she’s still going 9.900.

Oh, wait it’s 9.950. I love how 9.900 was my “this meet is so crack it will be 9.900” example, and then it was too low…

Stephenson – BB – Stanford – aerial, hit – bhs loso series, solid, just some soft knee in the series – nice control landing her sheep, I’d of course like to see a bit more closure, but not bad – gainer full, stuck, solid hit. 9.875

Kramer – FX – UCLA – front 2/1 to front pike, lovely as always but took it right to the edge, on the line maybe just in or just out, but since OOB is optional in this meet, you know it’s fine for no deduction regardless – 1.5 to layout, only a touch of knee bend – great life on switch side to popa – front 1.5 to stretch jump, nice. 9.925

Lawson – BB – Stanford – arabian, huge as always with a leg-up check this time – switch 1/2, a little short of position, secure – full turn, slow into and out but smooth – bhs loso series, noticeable knees and a check – gainer pike, hop. 9.800. Stanford getting same lens as UCLA.

Tratz – FX – UCLA – full-in, very solid landing this week, controlled step and kept her chest forward despite being a little low, which is nice – a bit of a slide on second pass – switch ring to split leap full, strong position – double tuck, a little deep, just does keep that front foot down. 9.900

Cole – BB – Stanford – bhs loso series, huge break and tries and tries and tries to save it but comes off. Stanford counting that 9.725 now – aerial with another leg-up check – 2/1, stuck. 9.325

Dennis – FX – UCLA – pike full in, nice power of course and great legs together, not one of those staggered-leg ones, slide back but not too out of control – front full to layout, nails that pass – split leap 1.5 to split jump full to straight jump, LOVE – great extension and crisp landing positions too, excellent – double tuck, another slide back. A couple uncontrolled landings there. Still goes 9.925 with those two large lunges out of passes, which is cool.

Navarro – BB – Stanford – bhs loso, just a small adjustment, pretty extension of course – overturns her full turn with a check – aerial, solid – switch with a hesitation in connection – redoes with a sissone into switch side, still with a little check in between – 1.5, hop back.

Hano – FX – UCLA – DLO, strong control, chest pretty well up too, her best DLO of the season – front full to half to run – choreographed fish roll conga line from the team on the sidelines needs a LOT of work. double pike, kept front foot down. 9.950

Bryant – BB – Stanford – full turn with a check working out of it – huge loso series amplitude of course but a lean check as she was a little off on landing – switch split jump, fab – front tuck, another small arm wave adjustment – such great amplitude on elements, a few too many checks – bhs bhs double tuck, stuck. Still gets 9.900 because when in Westwood…

Ohashi – FX – UCLA – split-leg DLO, lands short with a step forward, so if they give this a 10 I will cut everyone  – 1.5 to 1/2 to split jump to front tuck, hit but traveled a little out of control this time – switch ring to switch 1/2 – front full to half to drop split, great ending as always – will need to take a couple things.

9.950. Why the hell not.

FINAL: UCLA 198.325, Stanford 196.275


Meanwhile, Nebraska pulled it together in the second half of the meet to finish at 196.225. Still not ideal for those top-16 hopes. Waiting on Denver to finish floor, but on track for another comfortable mid 197 so far. Arizona State counting a beam fall from the first rotation, Pitt looking like this will be a low 194 so far.

Also, that was UCLA’s 5th-highest team score in history. That sounds accurate, said no one.

Denver rounds it out with a 197.675 (after Brown goes 9.975 on floor), to Nebraska’s 196.225, ASU’s 194.825, and Pitt 194.200.

92 thoughts on “Sunday Live Blog – March 10, 2019”

  1. Did Sara Taubman accidentally wear the wrong leo for warmups?! Hahaha that would so be me. :’)

  2. Personally I like Toronjo on bars more than Hano (but also I’ve never done or coached or judged gymnastics in my life).

    I HAVE commentated events before so I am pretty comfortable saying that I could do better than literally every commentator for NCAA gymnastics, even the “good” ones.

    1. All .025 – .05 too high 🙁

      The 1.5 looked like too much knee risk for Kramer. But I’m glad they are still trying to upgrade – their vault lineup should be able to have a solid 4/6 10.0 starts by now.

      1. Kramer’s vault was scary. I’d take a clean full over a messy 1.5 any day.

  3. Dennis and Tratz fair scores. Ross should have been a 1 tenth deduction and Hano and Wright were a bit high. Setting the tone for the night

  4. Does anyone know why UCLA doesn’t use Margz for vault? Before the start of the season I assumed that was going to be where they counted on her the most. Does she have an injury I don’t know about, or was I just confused about her vault? (I thought I remembered her casually training a Ydouble pre-season, and though I doubted she’d use it in competition once she was fully out of elite training mode, I still thought they’d be putting her in the lineup.)

    1. She did a couple fulls, they were fine but not outstanding. She’s one of the many B-level options they have that they seem to be having some difficulty sorting through.

      1. I honestly wonder if there’s an attempt not to throw Margz in the vault deep-end and, instead, get her used to training a 1.5 or DTY through this year and use her next year? She was training the DTY in pre-season, but she was also still doing some elite meets. I also want to see her in the lineup, and felt that the couple times she did the FTY was an odd choice. She’s got a ton of power and, thus, was bouncier than I think they’d want from a FTY. So… who knows?

  5. That is a huge win for Lindenwood. They keep improving each year. Big score for them in terms of NQS.

  6. 9.9 seems reasonable for Kyla’s routine. None of the other UB scores
    that rotation seemed reasonable AT ALL.

  7. We always talk about bias scoring- some more subjective than other. The one judge giving Kyla Ross a 10 on bars is blatant disregard for judging. Judges need to be sanctioned for giving mathematically impossible scores. Dilutes the sport when judges judge based on the name/leo.

      1. Neither is your comment. Honesty in judging could be adorable. Even you can’t possibly think that this scoring has been above board.

    1. I love UCLA. I love Kyla. But, I absolutely agree with Anonymous @1:46. Three arm swims does not a 10 make. Everything else in that routine was gorgeous, yes. But the arm waves are supposed to be deducted.

  8. I may never stop laughing at the biggest comeback in sports history. Never change, Val.

    1. I swear that graft must be involved. I really hate that the commentary keeps saying how UCLA is number one on the events. How could they not when this scoring has gone on all season long. The really sad thing is they could conceivably have that ranking with honest scores. Too bad we will never know.

  9. New joke in town: how many bobbles does it take for a Bruin to get a deduction on beam? Doesn’t matter. They all get 9.9 or above. Too bad it isn’t funny

  10. on one hand I’m not into how much botox Val’s forehead seems to contain but on the other hand now I kind of want to get rid of my own frown lines…

    It ruins it when their gymnasts actually DO 10-worthy routines or winning performances, because everyone’s skeptical after a season-full of dubious scores. 🙁 🙁

    1. i feel you. I LOVE UCLA, but it’s no fun seeing them not get deducted for obvious errors. And then for the commentators to just go along with it. ALSO, I so want Kocian to relax on beam. It’s interesting to me how she sticks out in this line-up. you can SEE the elite in her not being able to let go. 🙁

  12. So the judges must have watched that LSU meet and been “Game ON!” and then sniffed a few extra lines themselves. And I say that as a UCLA fan (well, a basic gymnastics fan with nothing against UCLA, so similar)

  13. I’m a UCLA fan, but its like the code of points doesn’t matter when it comes to UCLA. These scores are borderline just cheating. I don’t want them to be remembered for just being overstored. Sure it doesn’t matter because it Stanford, but comparatively, this is just wrong.

  14. Kyla would’ve had her perfect 40 no question if she had last week’s performance with this week’s drunk judges.

  15. Ohashi score was egregious. Several miss steps. Should have been in the 8.825 range. Low landing on first pass. Bounces and slides. I’m a Denver fan and am waiting to see placements. This was one of the worst examples of overscored that I’ve ever seen. I can see why Skinner was upset about her scoring at their last meet. A small slide on a more difficult vault and a small slide on floor and she gets lower scores than this travesty. Unbelievable. I was lucky to be at that Utah meet and if Skinner and solosky had been in Westwood they would hav been 10’s. Kari Lee would have had one too. Macy Roberts was every bit as good as the bruins today and shocker. Lower scores. Really a sad day for ncaa Gymnastics. I wish the commentators would do their jobs. They’re supposed to call it and not just be overpaid cheerleaders.

    1. You’re not wrong that UCLA is overscored but in no world is Skinner underscored (or Soloski, for that matter). Skinner has had HILARIOUS gifts herself this season – a 9.975 with TWO out of control landings last week?

      Ohashi’s bounces are ‘controlled’ – they’re part of the choreo. Sorry you feel that’s unfair, but UCLA figured out how to work the code when they designed that routine. It’s working, so maybe Skinner should try it too (also – I’d like to see that – Utah’s awful choreo plus Skinner’s poor dancing lolol it would be hideous). She should also try cleaning up her form.

      Also Denver’s scoring… give me a break. Not as crazy as UCLA’s to be sure, but they’re sure riding a wave of bullshit lately themselves.

      1. Most UCLA fans are great about at least acknowledging the overscoring… And then you have this one above ^^

      2. I like Utah’s choreography. Honestly, I feel like theirs can be better than some of the routines from schools that have reputations for choreography but reputation ends up determining who we celebrate. (Also Auburn is totally underrated while I’m on the subject of unsung choreography!)

      3. @4:29 anonymous:
        I literally said that UCLA has the craziest overscoring in my post, how much more do you want me to acknowledge it?? I am totally with you about the overscoring.
        I just think the rest of your baloney about Ohashi deserving a 9.825 or all of Utah’s gymnasts outperforming UCLA’s the other week is ridiculous. If Ohashi’s scores are a travesty, so are Skinner’s.

    2. To wackisha. In case you haven’t read the bulk oh the comments, I’m not the only one to state the over scoring perception. Your comment adds nothing to the conversation and just shows a low class, low blow attitude. Contribute something or stay out.

  16. 198.325

    Will the judges top that score on Miss Val’s final night coaching in Westwood? Tune in next week.

  17. I’m feeling slightly miffed that my team travelled to Westwood at the beginning of the season. The crack only seems to get stronger!

    1. I agree re leo bias – but I don’t think UCLA’s scores are any higher than LSU, Ok, or Florida this season. There’s definitely plenty of crack all around for those 4 teams. Anyone see LSU’s match this weekend??

      1. That 9.95 for Ohashi’s floor makes those crazy LSU floor 10s look sane. While that meet was definitely a bit cracky, it was nowhere near as bad as this UCLA meet. There were at least 3 or 4 scores on each event that had no business being that high.

      2. disagree – other teams have been overscored but UCLA is on a whole other level. LSU’s meet on Friday was a season high but it was the best meet of the season. 10’s may have been over generous for some routines but overall the scores made sense and UCLA’s scores often did not make sense. The judges were blatantly disregarding very obvious deductions such as checks etc on beam and non vertical handstands. Its such a shame because UCLA are great and could probably be second in the rankings without all the crack scoring they have received this year but we will never know. The OK and Florida meet was crack but I think this was worse. this was not UCLA’s best meet of the season and yet they get a season high and 5th highest score in history. Shame on the judges.

      3. I did see it and it was total crack. But that doesn’t make it ok. It’s been the same for years the big 4. The judges protect the positions of those schools. Fortunately with the improvement in teams across the country (and the sport is becoming stronger as a whole) it is so much more obvious. Fans are becoming more knowledgeable and are finding their own favorites. Judges can no longer hide the crappy scoring the way they have in the past It’s time for the ncaa to step in and do something about it. I appreciate the comment from one of the contributors above that it’s like cheating. It is cheating. It cheats the athletes and the fans and most importantly the sport. Time for a change. To bad we can’t bring back the methods of the French Revolution -round up the judges and all scream Guillotine

  18. At least LSU, Florida, and OK all got senior night scoring too? Silver lining? *Shrug*

    But..Spencer…literally your best work ever:

    “9.925 with a one tenth bound on dismount landing.

    9.850. Nothing matters, so don’t worry.

    Cool how she would have gone 10.050 without those checks #legend

    If you gave those scores to the others, there was no way you couldn’t give this a 12.950.

    They decided not to take the OOB even though the flag went up

    Oh, wait it’s 9.950. I love how 9.900 was my “this meet is so crack it will be 9.900” example, and then it was too low…

    Still goes 9.925 with those two large lunges out of passes, which is cool.

    9.950. Why the hell not.


  19. This is the worst scored meet of the season, hands down.

    In other news, I wish my college professors would score me like I’m a Bruin (“yeah you have a couple of wrong answers, but hell, 99.5%!”).

  20. Today’s UCLA team score (their highest of the season) will not be included in their RQS/NQS as of now…So, this meet really never happened anyway (lol).

    QUESTION: If YOU had scored the meet, what would YOUR total score have been for UCLA today instead of the 198.325 ?

    1. Of course it matters. Now they get to count their next highest bat crap crazy score and their Nqs will still go up. Also it’s just. Wrong

  21. Call me crazy, but I’m glad UCLA was grossly (and at times, mathematically) overscored.

    This is symptomatic of a larger problem: lack of a strict code of points that is applied evenly across teams. When meets like this happen, it really highlights the need for a reform. This meet wasn’t 1 or 2 scores that were out of line, it was 10 to 15+. Problems only get attention when they stand out. Hopefully NCAA does something to stop this nonsense.

  22. I tried, really tried to like NCAA gymnastics. But this is why I will not watch after this season. Yippee for Kyla Ross, way to go Maggie Nichols, Katelyn Ohashi is now the star she should have been but…there is so much great gymnastics and great gymnasts that get nothing because they don’t have the big name or UCLA, OU or Florida on their leo. Just look how long it took NATALIE WOJCIK to get her 10 but hey Kyla you can squat super low and get a 10. Well thank judges and NCAA for ruining this for me.

    1. There has been this suggestion for coverage of the meets to not include scores. I love watching the actual gymnastics and try to ignore the insanity of the scores. I encourage you to try the same, but I get you.

  23. I get that going to college and competing for a team at the NCAA level is like a reward for most club gymnasts, but in every other sport once you get the the collegiate level, the standards are raised. Just because NCAA is supposed to be fun and exciting doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be judged seriously.

    It’s really hard to take it as a legitimate sport when, if you get media attention and a lot of fan support, you automatically get higher scores and easier judging.

    Somehow there must be something that fans of the sport can do to get attention- whoever runs NCAA gymnastics already sent out a letter to judges that they’ve ignored because of us- I wonder if there’s something else that can be done.

  24. What is the solution for all this crazy scoring? Perhaps by filing grievances with the Judges Association? I’m sure specific complaints in terms of the judge involved, the event, the gymnast, the score and what are seen to be the errors. Making the issue “official” would probably go further in forcing real change.

    Not sure if general complaints will force change, so maybe some of you can actually lee[ track of who you see to be offenders and what offenses are being committed and make a more formal complaint? I’ve seen these sorts of complaints in forums for years now and haven’t seen evidence of the problem being worked on. ITS TIME!

  25. I seriously wish I could take a peek into the alternate universe where Sarah Finnagen went to UCLA…

      1. Shallon and Khazia might have a case but the other two enjoy enough of their own nonsense scores that you shouldn’t complain. Yeah it’s not Ohashi levels but they do PRETTY well.

    1. I see where you are coming from. There are a lion’s share of additional lower tier ex-elites and level 10 gymnasts in the same “comparatively underscored” boat. However, I still think Trinity and Sarah’s routines would be scored even more wacky as UCLA or OU athletes. The cleanliness of those two women can be on par with Kyla and Maggie at times but their scores do not reflect that. In Sarah’s case, the times that they do are somehow her weaker routines with noticable errors after weeks of actual perfection. It is insane. It will be interesting to see what they do with Trinty while she is at Florida.

  26. All you all newcomers to the NCAA, meaning if you joined onto the sport 2005 or later, do a little research about 2004. If that didn’t kill sport, nothing else will.

    We continue to watch because we just like watching lots of gymnastics. We are literally thrilled that there is so much gymnastics on TV now and that it’s getting more exposure year by year.

    The rest of us rescore every meet all the time. It was past the complaint phase in 1993. Look that Super Six up.

    1. This is a very good comment! haha I just learned about 2004 and was like WHAT?!

  27. For Val’s swan song I expected nothing less. So if the crack diminishes next year, UCLA fans will say all is lost without Ms Val. I haven’t watched any of the Denver meets. They see to be consistently hitting mid 197’s – so are they the sleeper team to be 4th at Nationals or have them been more over-scored than others who are shooting for that spot?

    1. They are good but the forces that be will make sure that Oklahoma UCLA Florida and LSU will be the final four. No one else will be scored in a manner to make it possible to move up

      1. I see Utah I the mix there. Granted, their scores seem to be more realistic while the top three are grossly elevated. Curious to see the top 8 teams judged by the same panel (hopefully consistently).

      2. See this is the kind of bullshit that the overscoring produces, too! UCLA and Oklahoma and Florida ARE the best three teams. They should be expected to make the final four (I think spot #4 is LSU’s to lose, but they haven’t been as strong this year). They probably will turn in superior performances but the tradition of overscoring will have every other team’s fans whining that it was unfair.

    1. We may never publicly hear details, but the implication is that it may have pertained to behavior outside of the gym. Miss Val has always said (and wrote in her book as well) that the behavior of even just one student athlete outside of the gym (partying, not getting enough sleep, not keeping up with classes, eating poorly, etc) can lead to team issues in the gym and in competitions.

      Not sure if any of those behaviors were involved in this episode…although maybe today’s judges were partying, not getting enough sleep, and eating poorly before the meet. (just kidding) 😉

      Apparently last year’s UCLA Seniors helped keep that 2018 team in line (having some fun but keeping a strong focus on working toward winning the National Championship).

      1. UCLA is my favorite of the top programs but I do side-eye their team GPA in comparison to other teams. They are way down at the bottom and while UCLA is a good school, it has the same grade inflation as pretty much everywhere except for Cal (which has absurdly harsh grading for underclassmen in STEM).

      2. Yes. For 2018, of the 76 women’s gymnastics teams reporting, UCLA finished 75th out of 76 with a GPA of 3.09 .


        Coach Wooden would be disappointed. UCLA women’s gymnastics used to be a top-notch academic team on campus when he was alive and attending their meets as a fan. Maybe the UCLA gymnastics coach should be fired? Oh, never mind. 😉

      3. Val strikes me as someone who prioritizes looking put-together over performing well academically. Old-fashioned.

        She also strikes me (from interviews, her terrible book, etc.) as someone who is bright but really lacks education.

  28. “choreographed fish roll conga line from the team on the sidelines needs a LOT of work.”

    Living for this quality live blog content 🤘

  29. As a UCLA alumnus and gym fan, I will readily admit that yesterday’s scoring was completely out of control, so much so that it impacted my enjoyment of the event. That score is completely fool’s gold and does not signify that the team got any better over this past week or is in any more of a position to threaten OU for the top spot. I would have been content with the record crowd, amazing atmosphere, and the 197.5-ish score that the team deserved. Instead, we were “gifted” a really ugly participation trophy.

  30. Finally watched the meet. The scores across the board were completely wild, but I’m not going to say more about the scoring in general because I feel like pretty much everything there is to be said about that has already been said.

    One specific scoring thing, though. I really don’t understand the scoring of Hano on bars this year. Her scores have been really high, even compared to the rest of her teammates who have been overscored all year. Week after week, I feel like she’s either ranked incorrectly amongst her teammates, or, when she is the low score, I feel like her score is too close to her teammates’ scores. This is nothing against her. She has clearly put in a ton of work on bars and has improved tremendously, and I’m so happy for her for all of the progress she’s made. Still, I don’t understand the scores the judges give her every week, even compared to the cracky scores other bruins get.

  31. Sorry for double posting, just thought of something else. I wonder what the coaches say to the athletes after meets scored like this one. I really hope the coaches aren’t so suggestible and optimistic that they actually believe that was a legitimate 198.325. If they do realize how inflated that score is, do they talk with their team about it? I feel like if I were a coach in a situation like that, I’d want to make sure everyone on the team understood that the meet wasn’t nearly as spectacular as it looked on paper and that the performance was solid, but it definitely wasn’t the type of performance that would win a national championship.

  32. UCLA is undeniably the most overscored team in the NCAA. This has been exceedingly evident from meet 1 – Kocian/Nguyen on beam, Hano on bars, the fact that at least half of their floor lineup ends passes in uncontrolled leaps, not counting Ohashi OOB, etc. I would say that Oklahoma comes in second for overscoring – Draper on floor, Maggie when she doesn’t hit but still scores 9.9+, etc. Florida and LSU tie for third. Florida was overscored towards the beginning but now LSU is being overscored at the level of UCLA. The 10’s for Edney and Kelley are unjustifiable and the last 2 meets should have been multiple tenths lower. I would have guessed closer to 197.5-197.7 range rather than the scores they were gifted.

    In my opinion, UCLA and Oklahoma could be a coin toss on any given day. I bet they will place comfortably 1 and 2 at nationals – depends on how UCLA vaults and how Oklahoma does on floor. Florida has the same skill but needs to get vault under control before being a threat to the top 2 teams. LSU/Utah/Denver will be an interesting battle for 4th spot. LSU with recent successful years, Utah with consistency throughout the season, and Denver is the underdog that could lead to a huge upset.

  33. Of the 22 perfect 10s awarded this season, 13 have gone to UCLA. That’s 59% of all perfect routines. Whether implicit or explicit, the UCLA bias is real.

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